Transcript Episode 60

Episode 60: What It Takes to Start a Coaching Business with Rebecca Tracey

 

Transcript Episode 60

Stephanie Skryzowski  

Welcome to the 100 Degrees of Entrepreneurship podcast the show for purpose driven entrepreneurs who want to get inspired to step outside of your comfort zone. Expand it to your purpose and grow your business in a big way. I’m your host, Stephanie Skryzowski, a globe trotting CFO whose mission is to empower leaders to better understand their numbers to grow their impact and their income. Let’s dive in!

Hey, everybody, welcome back to 100 degrees of entrepreneurship. I am super excited to be here today with Rebecca Tracey. Rebecca, welcome!

Rebecca Tracey

Yay. Hi, thanks.

Stephanie Skryzowski

I am so excited to chat with you today. So full disclosure, everybody. We’ve never met before we’ve never talked before. We’re part of a membership and a Facebook group together. And that’s how we met. So this is kind of like our first get to know you conversation. So I’m very excited.

Rebecca Tracey

Oh, fun.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah. So Rebecca, tell us, what’s your business? What’s it called? What do you do? And yeah, just tell us a little bit about yourself.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, my business is called The Uncaged Life. And we work with mostly coaches now. But I’ll still say coaches and other kinds of solopreneurs.

Basically new businesses who are starting their business kind of from the beginning, and are trying to figure out how to figure out their niche, how to figure out their message, how to put together their packages, like sort of all those foundational steps that you have no idea how to do when you start a business.

We help them get all the foundations laid so that they can go out and actually do marketing that’s going to get clients.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Oh, my gosh, that’s amazing. I feel like I needed something like that wrapped up in a neat little package with a bow when I first started my business, because Google was basically my best friend.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, well, that’s what I found. And it started because I was in other programs, starting a different business and realizing that they kind of brushed over a lot of this stuff. It was like, Okay, here’s a worksheet on your niche, and now let’s go build a website.

And now let’s go build your email list, and people were stuck in the first module because they were like, I don’t even know how to describe what I do. What am I supposed to put on my website?

I was like, this is a missing chunk of what’s happening in the market right now. And so I started doing one on one coaching around that, and it just turned into what it is now. 10, That was 10 years ago. So

Stephanie Skryzowski

Oh my gosh, that’s awesome. So how do you work with your clients right now? Is it like a course or a group program? Or do you still do one on one coaching?

Rebecca Tracey

I don’t do one on one. So it turned into a small group program over the years, and then a bigger group program, and then a course. And now we actually just shifted, we just launched like yesterday, so we just shifted into, it’s a course, everything’s pre recorded.

But there’s a year of coaching support, so they can come and get access to myself and seven other coaches that we have working with us for an entire year. So I’m excited about that switch, we used to run it over five weeks. And so we were like, bang, bang, bang, get it done, get your foundations clear, let’s get out there.

But of course, that doesn’t support people through all the ups and downs of the first year of business, which is like when all the you know, when all the poop hits the fan, usually.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah.

Rebecca Tracey

And they need that support. So yeah, so we decided to open it now as a year long coaching program. So it’s a course plus coaching.

Stephanie Skryzowski

I love that. And I feel like that suits so many people where like me, when I first get access to a course I’m ready to binge it, I want to go all in immediately. So I want to move along quickly. But then, you know, other people that really feel like they want that support.

And I imagine there’s some elements of community that you’ve built in there as well. So yeah, I love that. So how did you get started? I imagine you didn’t like, Okay, I’m starting my career. This is where I’m starting.

Rebecca Tracey

Definitely not

Stephanie Skryzowski

What did that journey look like?

Rebecca Tracey

I was in school as a holistic nutritionist, and so I was doing health coaching type programs for people. And at the time, I realized that people were missing, like the coaching piece to it wasn’t included in the program that I was taking.

It was the biggest challenge with the clients that I was practicing with. Like, nobody wanted to make these changes. There was so much other stuff going on, like mindset stuff that was really challenging for them. So I ended up taking a life coaching program because I wanted to be able to combine coaching and nutrition.

And at the time, I was also working part time for an online wellness company. They hired me to do their blogging and social media and some sort of learning about online business. And all the clients that I was working with for my life coaching course, were all people that I knew.

So that meant they were other life coaches and other health coaches. And primarily, the biggest thing when I go into a session it was not niched in at all, I was like what do you want to talk about?

The biggest thing they had challenges with were like, What am I going to do with once this program’s done, what am I going to do with my career? Do I want to start a business? Like how do I figure out how to make it my own thing?

And so I was just life coaching them on that topic. But I was also learning all this online business stuff. So I’d be like, you know, you could just make a blog and like on the side, I’d be like, here’s how you do it.

And so I’d be teaching them a little bit of kind of the marketing stuff that I was learning and I slowly realized I didn’t like the health coaching and it took me a while but I gave myself permission to just like let’s just drop that and see how that feels.

And I never went back to it, which I think is a huge thing, right? It’s so hard to drop something that we just spent a few years and a lot of money learning. And it just kind of morphed into me supporting more and more people who were starting businesses.

And as my business grew, I was able to just teach them different things that I had been learning and implementing in my own business. So it was a slow, winding road to actually saying, like, I teach marketing, it was like, no, no, I’m a life coach for business owners for a long time. Took a while to make that shift in my own brain.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, that’s so interesting. I feel like a lot of people’s stories are like, you know, include a sharp right turn, you know, we think we’re going one direction, and then we’re like, No, we’re making a hard right here. We’re going somewhere else entirely.

But it sounds like your journey has just sort of like woven different pieces together into this, you know, beautiful tapestry of what what you do now. Is that how it has felt for you? Or have there been points where you’re like, oh my gosh, this feels really hard or really scary? Or like, I’m not sure this is the right move?

Rebecca Tracey

Oh, yeah. Always, like, most of the first three years, I would say maybe the first two years. Yeah, I remember at one point messaging a friend of mine, who was also a life coach and starting a business and we were just like, how is this ever going to be sustainable?

Like, how do you get enough clients to make enough money? Like, I don’t get it? Because we were in that first year where it was you know, we came out all bright eyed from coaching school going, great, so let’s do the math. $500, a client, oh, we only need like 10 clients awesome.

And realizing it’s not that easy. And so I definitely had moments where it was like, Oh, I don’t know. But I just kept, I think the biggest thing for me is that I take a lot of action very, very quickly with literally everything in my life.

So because I have that tendency naturally, I just kept moving forward with like, let’s try this. let’s try the next thing, let’s do the next thing. And so I was able to kind of get to the thing that actually works a lot quicker than someone who doesn’t take as fast action, I would say.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, I think that’s a great point about fast action. I’m exactly the same way. Like I’ll talk to my business coach about an idea. And then the next day, I’m like, halfway done with it. She’s like Wait, didn’t you just talk about that like 24 hours ago. I’m like, yeah, I’m almost done.

Rebecca Tracey

Totally.

Stephanie Skryzowski

But I think that that fast action, even though it’s not perfect, even though maybe it’s not like the exact right step doing saying the exact right thing, like it builds momentum, and that momentum is like what propels you forward.

So I think that’s just a really important interesting lesson for people who hem and haw about decisions for weeks or months at a time. It’s like, just take action, you’ll build that momentum.

So do you consider yourself a perfectionist at all? Or you’re like, No, I just want to take the action.

Rebecca Tracey

No, definitely not. And I think that that has helped me because a lot of the students and clients that I’ve worked with over the years are perfectionist.

And I see them squeezing their business ideas so tightly and wanting to get it, you know, I can’t start until I know the niche, I can’t start till I have the website, I can’t tell anyone about it until I’ve got the business card and the logo and all of these things that they don’t even really need.

Then once they actually quote, unquote, launch, because we all know nothing really happens when you’re new and you launch. It’s like you send it to your friends and family and they’re like, nice job. And then you’re like, Okay, what do I do now?

Stephanie Skryzowski

Now what, right?

Rebecca Tracey

Then they realize that actually, what they’ve created isn’t really that clear, and then they need to rejig everything. And so like, if you can start when it’s at 50 to 70% forms, then you’ll actually start to get the data that you need to actually make it quote unquote, more perfect.

So yeah, I’m a big fan of getting so it feels like good enough, and just getting it out the door. So you can start to actually make some decisions about things from a place of having the experience versus just overthinking it.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, it’s so true. Because then we’re just essentially going in circles in your head because no new information is coming in. So you’re just thinking about the same thing over and over again. Whereas at least if you’re taking action, like you said, you’re getting data so new information is coming in.

So you’re thinking about something new rather than just literally spinning your wheels. So yeah, I love that. Because like I said, I’m exactly the same way. So what have been some pivotal moments along the way?

You know, maybe it was when you hired your first team member, or when you brought other coaches in to help coach the people in your programs? Or like what have been some pivotal moments along the way that you feel like have been really transformational and getting you from those early days to where business is now?

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, I feel like I’m in one of them, because we just started this new program with the new coaches. And so it’s always been me doing most of the coaching and I did bring in a mindset coach over the years but we would still coach equally together.

And now there’s more, there’s seven coaches in the program, and they’re doing more coaching than me, and I’m taking a little bit of a step back from it. I’m still in the program, but just in a much, much smaller way. And so that feels like a huge shift for me.

It took me a long time to get to the place where I was like, This is gonna be okay to do this. I just, I refuse to do it for so long. I was really nervous about it. So I feel like I’m in one of those moments now. And so we’ll see over the next few months how it all goes. I think it’s gonna be great.

All our coaches are amazing and smart and much smarter than me anyway. So I think our students are lucky. Other than that over the years, I definitely think the shift from one on one to group coaching was a major thing, because that’s what helped me really scale.

I was doing one on one and I got to the place where my one on one rates for what I thought was fairly high. Now in this world of seeing all these high end offers, I’m like Oh, that was nothing. But it was like $1,400 for a month or four sessions to work with me.

And to me, that was like, premium, right? At the time. And yeah, I shifted my one on one into a small group, and I think I started with 12 people. Then the next round, I had 20 people, then I just slowly grew it. And that is what really let me scale my business over the years.

I did that probably since 2014, I’ve been launching the same program as a group program, twice a year, just launch after launch, getting more people. And so that was huge, because it really let me grow.

I think prior to that, it really felt like I was capped, like how do I make more money without just working more or creating more programs? And so that was huge. Yeah.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, and I also love the sort of underlying message that it’s not an instant, like this is a long game. And you’ve been playing the game for a while, and it’s like a sort of evolution and growth consistently year over year.

And I like how you said, yeah, I have this program and launch it twice a year, and each time it grows, that’s a result of consistency, rather than any sort of like quick win. I feel like, you know, especially online, it’s very easy.

And I do this all the time myself to get very disenchanted and kind of discouraged by seeing other people get what seems to be like a quick win. In reality, it’s probably not but seeing that I still, I’m just like, Oh, why can’t I have that in my business?

Like, why does it feel like I’m trudging along and slow growth. But yeah, do you ever feel like that as well? Or do you like, No, I’m cool. I’m playing the long game.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, I mean, it definitely, I didn’t know what it was gonna be when it started. So the fact that the program grew to what it was where we were having like multiple six figure launches to me was like, I would never would have thought that could have happened when I started it with 12 people at $300 a person, right?

But there were definitely times in those launches where we’d have a launch that didn’t go as well, or where it just felt really hard. We did fine on paper, but it felt like it was just super draining, like close to burn out. And then the next one would be great and feel super easy.

So it never was just like it consistently always gets better and easier. It was always up and down. Even though even if on paper, it was always consistent, energy wise, and just emotionally wise. It was yeah, it’s always been up and down.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah. What does your team look like today? So you said you’ve got the seven other coaches that are coaching, but what is your team for the business of like?

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, it’s still pretty small. So we just hired our first full time team member, which is very exciting. She’s our marketing assistant. She sort of doing all marketing community management stuff. So she’s full time, which is exciting.

And then we have an operations manager who is more or less full time, but still contractor, and then a part time, like very part time, like maybe 10 hours a week tech VA. And that’s it.

Stephanie Skryzowski

That’s awesome.

Rebecca Tracey

And then we have contractors. So we’re you know, we just redid our sales page, we’ll contract that out. And we’ll, you know, contract out a copywriter. But yeah, that’s our core team. It’s just just the four of us, three of us.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, that’s awesome. So, I mean, a smaller team means your margins are stronger. That’s excellent.

 

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Stephanie Skrywozski

And how long was it into your business until you hired that first team member? Did you like really going at it alone for a while?

Rebecca Tracey

I definitely did it alone, I definitely did a lot of things alone. I would say it was probably the third year where I was like, I need tech help, I suck at tech stuff, I still do, I don’t know how to do anything, and people laugh at me. They’re like, don’t you have an online business?

Like you literally there’s simple things that people like, you know, you can just get that app to like, go from your phone to your desktop. And I’m like, what? I have no idea. So I outsource some of the tech stuff probably to a VA probably in like my third year but I was so nervous.

I’m like, I don’t know, five hours a week seems like you know, 20 hours a month to me felt like a lot and I didn’t even know what to have them do so I was still doing everything myself when they should have been doing it. It was tricky for me to learn how to actually hand stuff over, I’m still learning to be honest.

There’s times my team is like, can you please stop going in and messing with the emails? And I’m like, okay, but I just thought I would do it. They’re like, No, like, we’re changing your passwords. I’m like, Yeah.

Stephanie Skryzowski

You’re literally making things worse.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, yeah.

Stephanie Skryzowski

I know, I know, we’re transitioning project management software. We have just transitioned project management softwares and I keep breaking it, like I keep messing something up.

And so I’m like, reaching out to our operations manager, I broke it again, can you tell me how to fix it? Can you fix it for me? So I’m exactly the same way.

I hate tech so much. So I tell myself that I’m not good at it, which is probably not helping me at all by telling myself I’m not good at it but I don’t like it. I don’t like it.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, yeah.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Awesome. So your clients, what is the you know, what is their sort of transformation? And what changes do you help them see in their lives in their businesses? And like, how do you help them sort of push outside of their comfort zone?

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, I think that the biggest thing that I love to see, the biggest change that I like to see them leave with is actually having confidence about their business. Because most of them come when they’re excited, maybe they’re a new life coach, or a new health coach.

And they’re excited about it, but they’re a little bit embarrassed, because they can’t, you know, if you ask them what they do, they’re like, no one’s totally working on my pitch. Like, they can’t quite explain it, they don’t really have a niche, or if they’re just like, I’m a life coach, like no one really understands what it is. So they’re like, challenged in actually sharing about their business.

And so once we work them through all the foundational stuff, they can actually leave not only with a more clear and way more specific niched in like niche, but they’re actually excited to go out and tell people, they’re excited to start marketing, they’re excited to build their website, they’re excited to go to events and talk about it.

And that’s a huge change, because if you’re nervous, or embarrassed to share about your business, it’s not great for marketing, not great for your bank account. Of course, we actually get them working with clients.

So for many of them, they would be people who are, most of our students, I’d say, are not like you and me, they’re not fast action takers and they do tend to lean towards perfectionism and overthinking and fear of what people are gonna think.

And so they want to like hold on to their idea too tightly. And so we get them into action. So it’s always fun to see them go through that transition of actually starting to put just like really small, one small foot in front of the other and getting to a place where they’re actually testing real programs with real clients.

Stephanie Skryzowski

I love that. What tips do you have for like, if somebody was listening and they’re like oh my gosh, that’s me. I think too much, I need to take action faster, but I just don’t know how, I feel stuck.

What tips do you have that you teach to your students as to like, how to get them out of that stuck feeling? And just taking little baby steps towards that next action, that next big thing?

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, well, our mindset coaches does a lot of that she has like, literally modules in our course, and coaches on the calls to actually help them, especially when it’s things like fear of what people are gonna think. She’ll really dive in with them on like well, who are you worried about?

Name the person because usually, there’s always one person, where like Oh, it’s my sister, or it’s, right? So she’ll actually do the mindset coaching with them. But strategy wise, I think it’s just realizing that you’re not going to get to the perfect thing until you actually test it.

And so getting to sort of the neighborhood of like, okay, this niche feels, okay and so the next step is to go and actually find one person and start working with them. And just helping them see that they, it’s not like, feel the fear and do it anyway.

But it’s like, understanding that their action is the thing that’s gonna get them the clarity and so just having just being willing to actually go and work with a client. That’s a big thing, too. I think a lot of our students, I’m not sure.

I feel like the folks you work with are a little bit further along. But they’re usually too nervous to work with people too, because they’re so new. And they’re like, I don’t have a process yet, and I’m not sure my niche yet and so they’re not actually working with anyone.

They’re also overthinking all of their business stuff and so like, that’s not a fun place to be in, in business, you’re not actually getting to do the thing that you love. So working with clients throughout the process of figuring out I think is really important.

So you can just stay excited about it, you know. It’s no fun just figuring out the marketing piece and not actually doing the coaching or whatever work you set out to do. So if you can stay connected to it by actually doing it, I think that helps a lot.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Oh, yeah, I like that so much. I know it’s funny, I think back to the first clients that I started working with, nearly seven years ago at this point. And it’s like, I’m almost embarrassed for myself at, like you said, I didn’t have a process.

Like I had the experience from when I did a similar job and for you know, for a company but not doing this on my own. And so I think about that I’m like, oh, wasn’t Stephanie cute? Like, that’s slightly embarrassing, but there’s no way that I could have gotten to where I am now or even where I was a few months after I started.

If not for actually taking the action, putting things out there, putting myself out there and you know, risking a little bit of embarrassment and a little bit of like, oh my gosh, that was a weird, I said such weird things.

Rebecca Tracey

Two things about things like that, number one your clients probably didn’t even notice, right? Because they don’t know what you’re supposed to be doing. So it’s all, you’re like, Oh, now I can see that I should have had a process, but they probably didn’t know.

And then the other thing that I would offer to folks who are in that same position is to do it as a beta test, like bring someone in for free or chop your price in half. I’m a big fan of starting for free when you’re in the place of like, do I even know how to do this, and I’m not even sure if I can get results.

Take the pressure off of making money from it because as soon as somebody is giving you money for it, you’ll feel like oh my gosh, this has to be perfect, because they’ve paid me. But if you could take that pressure off, do it as a beta test, and actually let that person know, like Hey, I’m creating this new offer, I want to test it out.

It might be a little messy, it might not be perfect. Would you be willing to like be my guinea pig and test it out with me? I’ll offer it to you for free if you’re willing to give me feedback. People love that. It lets you off the hook for being perfect and so when you mess up, or when you’re feeling awkward, or you need to change something, that’s already on the table.

And clients kind of like I think being a part of the process, like they feel like they’re getting this first dibs on something or like insider info.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, they’re like part of the part of the inner circle because getting the first insight. Yeah, I love that. I think that’s all just such great advice that I even feel like I can apply to my business right now.

Like I’m thinking about this, this new offer for our clients, and I am a little bit nervous about reaching out, but I’m not gonna know if it’s viable, or what it’s really going to look like until I take the first step.

Rebecca Tracey

Test it out.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, so applicable. So applicable. I love it. Okay, so I like to ask this question to all of our clients, it’s obviously I’m a numbers person.

I would love to know, how you manage numbers in your business? And you don’t have to give me exact numbers, but like what does your process look like? How do you look at your numbers?

Rebecca Tracey

Oh, this is gonna be embarrassing. I am not a numbers person. So I would say that now our operations manager is mostly the one who’s dealing with the numbers.

If we’re talking about looking at metrics and looking at data of where students are coming from, and how many people are on payment plans, like all of those sorts of numbers, she has dashboards for everything that I rarely see, I rarely look at, but she tracks everything.

Previous to her, we just didn’t, like I didn’t have numbers. And then financial numbers, I have an accounting team that will basically just once a month send me a P&L report that I’ll sometimes barely look at. And so I’m really, really bad at looking at these numbers and so that’s why it’s one thing I realized that having other people on board to do it for me is super, super important.

Because especially at the level we’re at, we have to be making smart decisions, especially around hiring people and bringing in team members and stuff. So now I have people do it for me, but I still, now that I think of it, I rarely hear about the numbers.

Like obviously, I know how many students during the program. But beyond that, I’m not super into numbers.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah.

Rebecca Tracey

Is it that bad? Am I terrible?

Stephanie Skryzowski

No. I mean, well, no, you did not fail the test. No, I mean, the fact that you have people looking at the numbers, right. And I feel like as we continue to elevate as CEOs, we do not need to be looking at every single number. We should not necessarily be looking at every single number, we have people to look at the numbers and the KPIs that they are focused on.

So if your operations person is looking at of the all of the data on your launches, and enrollments and retention, and you know, all that good stuff, then if she’s managing to that, then that’s fine. And yeah, and so you’ve got somebody doing your numbers on, you know, externally, I think that’s great, too.

So, no, I think that, you know, some people are like, get really, really into the numbers. But what they don’t have then is that 30,000 foot view and that sort of vision. And then other people are like, don’t look at the numbers at all, and what they’re missing is opportunities to improve or really understanding your margins and things like that, to make good business decisions. So it sounds like you’re right in between.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, I’m definitely working on being more CEO and not being like I need to know everything, I need to look at everything, I need to go upload this blog post, I need to do all the things so I’m trying to be like, You know what, I have the big ideas, and then I share them and then the team makes them happen.

And that’s like my role. So working on that. But yeah, the numbers is definitely part of that.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, it’s hard because you know, you started the business like I started my business and so I know everything in the business because I started it.

It’s just natural to want to know and do all the things but it comes to a point where that needing to know and needing to do everything is only going to hold us back because if we don’t have the capacity and time and space to be that visionary then the business is not going to continue to grow if we’re going to keep you know, uploading blog posts and like doing home bookkeeping, and things like that, like it just doesn’t.

This is gonna hold us back. So yeah, I think that’s great. I would love to hear, so you just started this new, or you sort of have a new version of the program which you shared a little bit what’s next? Do you have any other new things coming up or you’re just gonna kind of see this year goes?

Rebecca Tracey

No, I’m very adverse to creating new things, like I have been running the same program since 2014 and I’m like, no new programs, like all in on one thing. And now we’re just shifting the delivery of the one thing. So yeah, no, the goal is just perfect this one thing, not perfect obviously, but get this one thing like running smoothly.

I’m sure that the vision I had in my head of how it’s gonna run is gonna completely change probably by the end of the year. So it’s just now fine tuning how this program works. Yeah, but no, nothing new. No.

Stephanie Skryzowski

I love that, I love that. And I think that that allows you to really focus and go all in and deliver like the highest level of service to your clients, your customers, rather than if you’re spreading yourself too thin over like all the things that you’re just, you can’t go deep.

That’s been like shiny object syndrome for me. Like we’ve always had our core like CFO, bookkeeping services, and that’s what we do. And that has been our bread and butter. That’s where we’ve really focused in, along my own journey, I’ve been like, Oh, let me create a course or like, Oh, let me do this other little thing.

But you know what, like that’s outside of our really core offer and so we’ve gotten rid of all that stuff. It’s like let’s do one thing, let’s do it really, really, really well. And let’s make sure everybody’s really happy and well served. So I love that.

And I think that’s amazing discipline in a world where we’re just so inundated with all the things all the time, so good for you.

Rebecca Tracey

Oh my gosh, I used to have smaller offers and other smaller courses. And we have two other small courses that kind of just sell in the background, and we don’t really put a lot of focus on them. But we used to have more, and I always, almost every business coach or person I work with is like you should create a small offer, you should create this.

Like no, no, no, no, no, like I’m focused, I don’t want to create anything new. Yeah, and I agree, I think that we can do better work with our students if we just focus on one thing. I don’t want to create a whole other marketing funnel for another program.

It’s hard enough to get one thing working well, like, I just don’t understand people who are excelling under things and the amount of marketing and has to go into all those things. It’s just like, I created this business, so I could do something amazing that I love and also have a lot of free time to live my life.

And so I don’t want to complicate things so I’m always trying to keep things as simple as possible.

Sthepnaie Skryzowski

Yeah, oh my gosh, that’s excellent. That is very good advice, to just go all in on one thing and do it really, really well and that is naturally going to bring growth. If you’re doing something awesome, you’re getting people really good results, and people are very happy with your work.

You’re naturally going to grow rather than trying to add a whole bunch of different things. Like yeah, it’s enough to manage everything that we have going on in the first place, let alone adding basically like a whole another business. So I love that.

As we’re kind of wrapping up, I like to just ask a couple quick questions at the end. And these are usually questions, I’m like, Okay, I’m like digging for answers because these are things I want to apply to my own life. So I would love to hear what helps you disconnect from work?

Rebecca Tracey

I spend a lot of time outside of the mountains, and so I do a lot of hiking, a lot of backpacking, a lot of Alpine trips. So that is, I mean, I can be super, super stressed about whatever’s going on. And then go away for a weekend in the mountains and get home and be like, what was I doing before I left?

Like literally forget, I have to you know, turn on my computer and all the same tabs are up and I’m like, oh yeah, all this. Yeah, so being outdoors definitely is a big thing for me.

Stephanie Skryzowski

That’s so true because when you are hiking or climbing a mountain like that thing that you’re dealing with in your group or I don’t know, whatever this task that you’re working at, it just seems so insignificant and stupid that you’re like

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, yeah.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, I love that. Okay, I don’t know, are you a big reader? Or no?

Rebecca Tracey

I’m not really. Sometimes I feel like I’m embarrassed about that but maybe I should just own it more. No, I find that if I read it’s always fiction. And then if there’s a business book that someone recommends, I’ll usually just try to find the TED talk or listen to the person interview because I’m like, I can get the gist of it.

I don’t need, I like a quick start, give me the idea, and I can roll with it. I don’t need 100 pages of a book where you just talk about the same thing. So I’m really bad for business and personal development books because I’m just like, give me the short version.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Oh my gosh, I love that so much. Okay, well, I’m definitely a big reader, but do you have a favorite fiction book?

Rebecca Tracey

No, I don’t.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Okay.

Rebecca Tracey

But if you have one tell me cause I’m always very susceptible to what other people like. I’m like what are people reading like, what’s a good book these days?

Because I just end up going and I do mostly audiobooks because my eyesight is so bad that I just literally can’t sit and read a book. So I’ll walk my dogs and just listen to audiobooks. I’m always looking for recommendations.

Stephanie Skryzowski

I love that, I love that. Oh my gosh, okay. So you know what, I’m bad at? I’m bad at remembering what books I’ve read to recommend them to other people.

So I have a list that I keep, but I’m like my mind has just gone blank. I’m like I’ve read a bunch, I can’t think of a single one.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah, totally.

Steohanie Skryzowski

So anyway, okay, no books. No books from either of us. No worries at all. Exactly. For both sides. Yep. Okay, awesome. Well, Rebecca, it was so great to chat with you. I loved learning more about your business, about your journey. And yeah, I just want to thank you for being here. Where can our listeners find you?

Rebecca Tracey

Oh, thank you. So we’re at The Uncage Life, that’s our website. We’re over on Instagram @theuncagelife also. And yeah, those two places are pretty good. You’ll find me around there somewhere.

Stephanie Skryzowski

Yeah, that sounds good. Awesome. Well, we’ll link everything up on our site, so any listeners can go and find Rebecca and learn more about what you do. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for being here. It was great to chat and appreciate you.

Rebecca Tracey

Yeah. Thank you. It’s great meeting you. Thanks.

Stephanie Skryzowski

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